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wwereeeeeeeeEEE!!!!

Great sounds mister! It's always fun to hear people playing around with drum modulation so employing that early within the track definitely helped hook me in. There are some elements in the mix that I don't entirely agree with but first I gotta mention something I just left in some one elses review. Sometimes really effective uses of traditional compositional aesthetics such as rhythm or melody can over power an individuals disagreements with the mix. You've got a really nice piece of work here! I was able to listen to the full track without losing attention once. You're melodies are strong. They come off as simple but really effective. Normally I'd consider the syncopations in that drum rhythm kind of awkward but it has that traditional tech step pattern working at it's core. As much as I hate that drum pattern, it works. That core drum pattern works in the same way as a four to the floor would in any other EDM genre. It's helvetica. Kick snare kick snare. Perfection in minimalism. I hate it and love it at the same time :P

Now for the bits in the mix that got to me a bit. That bass kick is all low range. This becomes glaringly obvious when I unplug my monitors and listen in on my laptops factory speakers. There's no audible kick. I'd layer in a mid frequency ranged kick to give it some more punch. The snare has wider range but no mids. It's all hi and low. Again, some mid range would be huge! If there's a hi hat in the mix it's not audible on my monitors. I can hear plenty of tamb action. I might turn the more prominent tamb down in favor of a hat somewhere working on 16th notes and perhaps a shaker. Dunno. Just ideas. I just noticed the bongos. You really made some interesting choices with that perc section. I like :)

That pad at 1:41 sounds so close to a perfect sound but there's something about it I'm not entirely agreeing with. It might be a little too prominent, it might need a touch of verb, it might need a tad bit of filtering, dunno. It's so close to the sound I want to hear but something about it just isn't giving me the right vibe. The melody is great though!

All in all you have a great composition! Really sir, kudos for making something so lovely. Keep on keeping on and good luck with future projects!

Chozz responds:

Thanks :) Its funny you brought the kick up, I was listening to it at work today in my office, and i thought dayuuum, a little bit of mid might be needed for this, and it's good to see that im on the same wave length as most people!

Regarding the simple beat, yeah I know what you mean. I've only just started producing drum and bass. My main focus at the moment is sound quality (layering of snares, eq, e.t.c), whilst providing a nice simple (but entertaining) beat to uplift the liquid-jazz sounds and riffs in the background. Maybe as I get a bit more experience I'll start slicing and dicing beats :)

I'm going to remix this track I'll let you know when it's up, and kudos for the real inspiring review!

mew

You said this was a work in progress so I'll consider that but I'd like to say that sbb mostly hit the nail on the head for what I was thinking. A lot of your songs feature thin lo-fi sounds. That kit sounded nice at first with a few minor things out of it that got to me but once the other instruments came into the mix the kit lost a good bit of it's punch. I have a habit of liking really heavy kits and sounds so I'll admit that my opinions a bit biased but the instruments in this song sound really thin.

Now, I'm not sure if this will help at all but I noticed that when I turned up the volume on my monitors the sounds had more life to them. I'm not sure how low of an amplification your working with, but maybe you can get clearer sounds by turning your monitors down. My laptops speakers had a really nice sound to them... actually, everything sounded a hell of a lot better on my laptops speakers. That should never happen. I might recommend experimenting with different monitors, set ups and work spaces. You don't necessarily have to head out and grab new monitors. Just get another brand/size/set up to compare and master with. Sometimes just changing rooms will give you new acoustics to work with that can change everything.

Some of the more traditional aesthetic choices in melody and rhythm were interesting and nice. I can over look a mix I disagree with a lot of times when songs have hooks that transcend anal contemporary fetishisms. Really, those were some sassy drum fills and aux rhythms. You're melodic choices can be unconventional at times but in some cases that can work really well for you. I'm a hypocrite for pointing it out especially when thinking of this as an EDM track but I think that some of your melodies can explore further ranges. Play with jumping up an octave at the end of a repeated measure. Even something as simple as that can widen up a songs texture. Dunno.

Well, thats my two cents. Good luck with the rest of the work you got going. All the best sir!

meh

You damn kids and your rock music. In my day, we had dirt and we liked it >:C

Rig responds:

Dirt tastes good with rocks.

mew

haha, nice song. If your a fan of piano at all I'd recommend looking into some chopin. He's my favorite romantic era composer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0kr_V cKESk

there might be a space you have to get rid of there to get the link working. Things get insane after the two minute mark.

Now about YOUR song. Great melodies and rhythms! I love them all. The drums can have a wider sound but I might recommend reading through this thread for that...

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1 137269

It's looking like it might end in a dumb flame war but xkore linked to some good drums. I also typed up a little ditty about layering. Those two posts alone will be well worth your time. Peace sir and keep on keeping on!

pur

haha, sick stuff. For three hours this is huge. Also, I love the kitten. Nice element.

Rig responds:

MY CAT KEPT MEOWING DURING MY COMPOSITION AND SO I RECORDED HIM

merp

The only thing this track is missing is Jeremy Enigk. Find that guy and you have it made.

SineRider responds:

that would be amaaaazzing. He has one of the best voices I've ever heard...

dahkdakhdahkdakadh

haha, awesome background intangibles. Your selection of sounds and rhythmic choices are well thought out. There might be a bit too much reverb on something which is muddying things up but for the most part everything sounds pretty tight. I think the verb is on one of the pads or a hi hat. I notice that a lot of pros turn the hi hats down in the mix. They're really important in idm to help distinguish a rhythm but sometimes the remainder of the rhythm can imply the hi hats existence. Dunno. Try nudging the hats down a bit and let me know if that changes anything for better or worse. This song fucking rocks by the way. I'm in love with everything melodically and rhythmically. Fucking ace.

SessileNomad responds:

hey thanks man, yeah i tend to go a little to crazy reverb, its probably the pad thats fucken stuff up

im glad you liked this one, glad at least other IDM artists like it

thanks for reviewin man :)

lol. rapidash?

When this song evolved from ponyta was it originally 200 bpm? Lame joke aside, cool song. I love this kind of trance. It takes me back to when I first started listening to electronic music. Most of it came from newgrounds. Let me get you aquanted with one of my favorite guys here on ng...

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/liste n/296234

There might be a space in that link you have to remove. Rawrthaas has a swell library of different electronic sounds. You'd probably like his work.

Now to try and be helpful. I'm not sure what program your using so I can't be too in depth in terms of how to do this but I'd recommend fattening up that drum kit and giving it more emphasis in the mix. You can make drums sound wider by layering different drum pieces. Find a few snares that each hit different areas of the sound spectrum. Get some mids, some highs and some lows all in one sweep and balance them. Layering can take a while to get a hold of so play around with it. One thing that can help when your layering sounds is to pan things up a bit. Panning gives the illusion that things are louder than they actually are, so when you pan you can turn the levels down on everything a little to give you more room to boost what you want.

One thing I really love about this song is how it loops. The melody the song starts with is something I'd expect to hear in a second measure in response to an initial melody. When the track looped it was almost as if the end was just a slight rest to create and resolve tension. The tempo stayed in time too. Funny mistake :P

All said, great song mister! Keep at it and you'll be great.

KillForChaos responds:

Thanks, that was the best review I have ever received.
I use FL studio as my main DAW and a few others occasionally.
I checked out the song you sent its really cool : )
I will try out the advice you gave thanks : )

P.s. yes it was 200bpm when it was ponyta

mdamaaaasss

ha, I hope you finish this one. That piano melody is fucking tight in there. The vox sound a little weird at times but that's really the only thing I have any sort of problem with. After hearing the song a few times, the vox work better and better. Really, I want to hear this one through sir! mraw!

Rawrthaas responds:

yeah i think around 00:08 it sounded off but i fixed it in the full version :D

abababababa

haha, it's nice to hear you play with more electronic sounds. Those bass lines were pretty funky. Those flutes worked well with the environment. If there was anything I'd tell you to do differently it's to layer that kick drum at the beginning with another kick that has more mid to high range. I tested the song on my lap tops speakers and the kick wasn't audible until the jungle section. Nice fake guitar solo. Even for a fake guitar, it sounds really damn good. The vocals are perfect :)

I just realized that this was submitted last year. Play with dnb again! It's always a lot of fun to hear people work outside of their comfort zone with genres they don't normally play with.

sorohanro responds:

Voices mstly by Citrina http://citrina.newgrounds.com/
I'll probably play more with the electronix but for now I'm in a Rock period (two projects running).

Thanx for review, greatly appreciated.
Happy Holidays !

Cory F. Jaeger @Quarl

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